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Okay - cuz I'm bored.

Here is an example of what I'm talking about.

The first clip is Johnny singing "Epiphany".
The second clip is George Hearn knocking it out of the park on the same number.

Notice how much more George does with his voice - because he can. You can hear the anguish, rage, sorrow, frustration in his voice - and the madness.

Now, the Johnny clip ends before the song actually does, but I'm pretty sure that Johnny doesn't sing the last line of the song, which you will hear in George's clip.

"I am alive again and I am full of joy."

It's that last line that just sends the creepy-meter into the red zone.

Look, I'm a Johnny fan and he does a creditable job in this role, especially for a non-singer. But this is exactly why you cast a SINGER. There's a clip on YouTube of Johnny talking about being asked "can you do it? can you sing it?" and he replies, "I don't know." Is that really how you should approach a musical project? "Hmmmm...Johnny would look great in the role. I wonder if he can sing?"

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Date: 2007-12-21 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Gotta say I think I prefer the Depp version for a film. If I want to hear "musical" style acting and singing I'll go see a stage show. For a movie I'd rather have the character, the story, and the image nailed down first and the singing be secondary so long as it is decent and supports everything else.

Date: 2007-12-21 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Except that the character is impacted by the ability to sing. It's like an actor not being able to talk - it impedes the acting.

Also, the "image" is a little too gothy for my taste. Seriously - everybody in the film is totally emo gothy.

Date: 2007-12-21 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Well, it *is* a Burton film. I thought that was his thing.

Date: 2007-12-21 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm getting a bit bored by it, and it's REALLY heavy-handed in Sweeney.
Mrs. Lovett looks like she's got consumption or been the victim of domestic abuse.

Date: 2007-12-21 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
You know, I actually sat through the film wondering how she managed to look like that without it being consumption or abuse. Maybe that's why Toby was concerned about someone hurting her.

Date: 2007-12-21 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Haven't gotten to see the film yet. I was just reacting to the clips you posted. What I've seen of the imagery though looks like what I'd expect from Tim Burton. Personally I'm prone to favor those films that take on a strong visual theme than those that don't.

Date: 2007-12-21 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Are you at GMI today? (I did a flyby of Debbie's desk, and I didn't see you.)

Date: 2007-12-21 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I like Patti Lupone's Mrs. Lovett better than Angela Lansbury's. There is a concert version with her that I saw once and adored and need to find again. But George Hern just IS Sweeney Todd.

That said, I will be going to the Burton Version to let out my inner 15 year old Goth Princess.

Date: 2007-12-21 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Having been listening to Patti for two weeks strait, almost 8 hours a day (go headphones at work) I've fallen in love with her. I can see where she's mimicing Angela, though. Angela brings out Mrs. Lovett's humor a bit more than Patti did. I'm not expecting Helena to be able to maintain that balance. Also, I've always felt that Mrs. Lovett has an earthy/hearty/cockney/dirty/crude side that a wafty voice like what I've heard from Helena can't convey. She loses the passion of the character, the rawness, the mix of bold acceptance of the cruelty of life and the ability to dream and escape that cruelty while participating in it.

More braining

Date: 2007-12-21 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
So, I'm developing my reasons for disliking Helena even more and I got to thinking about the way women are portrayed. They are either objects of beauty (Johanna, Lucy), who end up being really stupid and sexually objectified, or they are crude and "ugly" (Mrs. Lovett, Beggar woman* yes, I'm counting her as a separate character) and are ignored by the objects of their affection. Not saying that Angela and Patti aren't "pretty" but they have the ability to put some grit into their portrayals. I just can't see Helena being able to add that level of crass that makes me love the character. I'm sure she can pull off the crazy (go emo goth). Then again, I haven't seen the film yet, so maybe I'm talking out of my butt. Does anyone else (dis)agree with me?

Re: More braining

Date: 2007-12-21 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I think you've got a good point. I think this also goes along with casting non-singers in singing roles. You loose some depth. I have seen the film and I went with the mindset of "It's Sondheim but it's been made for the general public" which is about what I got. No depth that I would expect from a "proper" production but it was enjoyable and it wouldn't confuse people. Even though the characters are the same people, their personality are vastly different from Helena to Angela (from what I've seen of Angela but the depth she gives in one number is probably more than Helena expressed in the entire film). Just my 2 cents. It is worth seeing though, but not in the same way going to see Sweeney Todd on the stage is worth seeing.

Date: 2007-12-21 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I was lucky enough, when I was younger (that would be in the Spring of 1980), to see George Hearn play Sweeney Todd in the Gershwin Theater in New York. His Mrs. Lovett, at that time, though was Dorothy Loudon, who was fabulous.

I'm going into the film with an open mind and the knowledge that it won't be the original Sondheim show by any means.

But I will always have an amazingly special place in my heart for that show, and Mr. Hearn's performance. It changed my perspective about what theater could be, permanently.


Date: 2007-12-22 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
An ideal example of what you pointed out to me in your previous post. Thank you!

I still believe I'll probably enjoy the movie but -yeah- I'll definitely notice the difference that you pointed out.


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