OH I almost forgot. I'm aware of the context of the Madison quote. My focus remains on the word "entirely." I maintain that the word goes both ways, religion free from the state, the state free from religion. I consider myself very religious and I want the gov't the hell out of my church. But I find I also want theologies that are antithetical to mine (I get worked up about "heresy" sometimes) the hell out of my government. To get that blissful vision, the shortest distance would be separation that is entire.